How long must their suffering continue?

Yesterday, I let myself get trapped into a long, unproductive conversation with a voter.
Lordhavemercy what on earth made me think I could change the mind of a 30something white Christian man who is convinced he is being persecuted and that abortion is the “biggest human rights violation of our time?”
I won’t go into the abortion stuff, except to say he wants to know why the baby should be punished instead of the father in the case where a ten year old girl becomes pregnant as a result of rape. (All pregnancies of girls under 16 are the result of rape.)
I tried to explain to him that the body of a ten year old girl is really not ready for pregnancy but he brushed that off.
I didn’t even bother with “why should the life of the ten year old girl be less important than the life of the fetus” because although I am a fool who can get trapped in conversation, I am not that much of a fool.
But his absolute assurance that he should be running things and his annoyance that he is not – where on earth did that shit come from?
He said he was raised in the hood by “social justice warriors.” (The annoyed tone in quotation marks was his.) That his parents are “woke” and that his mother will be voting for Kamala.
What we really need in this country, he said, is for God and the gospel to be part of government. That feminism had ruined things for everyone. (Except for women, I noted. Feminism has not ruined things for women.)
I pointed out that all feminism did was force men to up their games so that we would want them instead of needing them, but I guess the opinion of a woman does not count. He did, however, appear to be startled at the idea that a woman should be able to have a choice about whether or not she stays with a man, but then, this is a man who appears to think that only men should be choosing anything.
I didn’t ask him what about people who aren’t Christian because by that point in the conversation, I had realized there was no changing his mind or even getting him to reconsider his opinions and I was trying to get away.
Note to self: It’s really not necessary to be super polite to people who are pissing you off. Although I think there is always, with women, the fear that if we directly contradict a man that we might set him off so we have to be very careful.
He told me that as a straight white Christian man, he is seen as The Oppressor and that the only path to redemption was “anti-racism,” which was when he launched into his “the Dems and Kamala are communists have you read what Marx has to say about this?”
I finally got some courage and interrupted him – Lord do these men count on women maintaining the social norms of not interrupting – and said I had to go.
W.T.F?
Where do these men come from? Clearly, it wasn’t in his raising. It’s sounds like his parents did the best they could.
But this was one seething white man who feels as if something has been taken from him that should have been his.
Even though I have encountered this attitude before, it still surprises me. A VP at my old job – very smart, very educated – UW Madison, not exactly a breeding ground for White Nationalists – had joked to me about how he had a hard time finding a job when he graduated from college in the early ’80s.
“I was a straight white guy,” he said. “What chance did I have?”
As a straight white woman, I got asked questions like “What do your parents think about your having a career?” Men grabbed my ass when I was a cocktail waitress. Male co-workers my father’s age massaged my neck and then got all butthurt when I didn’t want to go to dinner with them.
The right answer was, of course, “Every chance in the world. This world has been built in your image.”









