Women worry men will kill them (thank you, Margaret Atwood for summarizing it so well)
There’s a story in the NY Times about how “people” (women) are checking out other people (men) before they meet them in person.
In the comments, many men are complaining that women are Doing It Wrong and women will end up all alone with nothing but cats if they persist in wanting to know all about a man before they agree to put themselves at risk.
Why are women so damn picky, they want to know.
I get somewhat annoyed by requests from women I meet online for an audition via a telephone call. The reason I suppose is that my interpersonal skills are much better in person, having honed them over the years in my profession as a trial attorney. So, I get annoyed because I know I won’t be seen at my best (or seen at all) during the telephone interview. As for what to do on a first meeting, nothing is better than a lengthy lunch with great food and wine filled with fun conversation at an upscale ocean view restaurant.
(Random male commenter)
Why would women feel danger, they want to know. This guy has “never felt the need” to escape from a date.
I’m well known in my city, and I’m not interested in people knowing that i’m on a dating site and all the gossip about me that will follow. So, i have only one photo posted, and I’m not too clearly shown in it. As for a first date, I have never felt the need to escape from one. By the time I meet someone in person, I generally know enough about them from their online profile and a little vetting to enjoy their company despite their faults, and most people have some faults. That is a given, which I accept.
(Same random male commenter)
What is wrong with women that we don’t want to meet these men immediately in person for a long, expensive meal?
WHAT IS WRONG WITH WOMEN?
My sister met her husband online.
My friend Kim met her husband online.
I met my wonderful boyfriend John online.
There is nothing wrong with meeting someone online.
There is also nothing wrong with trying to make sure a man is not an ax murderer before you meet him in person.
When I was dating, I would always do some basic google search on a potential date. In most cases, after a day or two of chatting (e.g. where one went to school, what do they do) I would be able to find out their last name and current job through LinkedIn. This would give me a sense of security and at the same time an idea of how successful they are, which was important to me. In a few cases advance screening of a facebook profile would let me know in advance that the guy was married, so I wouldn’t waste my time going on a date with them. But two+ weeks of texting prior to meeting in person would look like a potential red flag (unless there’s a good reason e.g. they are traveling). This feels like too much effort for an uncertain outcome.
(a woman)
My friend Amy dated a man for a year before she discovered he was married. That he did not have cancer after all. That he had a criminal record.
He had been lying to her about everything.
I don’t remember how she put it all together, but she showed me his criminal record on CCAP.
She now looks at CCAP before she goes out with someone.
(a woman)
Her church friends tried to set up my friend Jaime with a man they knew.
He seemed too good to be true, so Jaime kept asking questions.
The church friends finally admitted that the man had been charged as a child molester.
But that he was praying very hard about it.
Jaime declined.
When I met John online, 25 years ago, it didn’t occur to me to run a background check.
But I did set up a Matchmaker.com-only email. I was not going to share the email that showed my real name.
I didn’t use my real name on Matchmaker.
I didn’t use a photo.
I didn’t share my address.
I didn’t agree to meet in person until we had emailed for a week or so, during which time I discovered that John was a brilliantly funny writer.
I finally agree to meet him in person at a cafe in the airport, which was where he worked.
I still didn’t tell him my real name.
And he was fine with all of that.
Because John had an imagination and empathy and he had read a newspaper before.
(We dated for a few years. He was wonderful.)
If I were dating these days, I would absolutely screen for if someone had voted for trump. If he voted regularly. Where he stood on abortion rights. On gay marriage. On the shitshow that is our current government. These issues are not about being a fun date but about being a decent human being.
Asking “big questions” before meeting in person. Background checks before a dinner or coffee. 50 first dates. All seem to be red flags and indicative of people who perhaps should extricate themselves from the dating pool until they feel more comfortable with being a little uncomfortable. Dating is supposed to be fun, and a little uncomfortable. It’s not supposed to be an exercise in paranoia. If you can’t meet another adult in a crowded public place in NYC without a background check, you really shouldn’t be meeting people for dates. As for first dates coffee feels like a business meeting. Dinner feels like a commitment. Try meeting at the bar at a nice restaurant for a drink. If things are going well get a table or order some appetizers. If things are not, enjoy your drink thank them for their time and move on. But for gods sakes have fun dating.
-(Another man, I presume)
(Not that I plan to date again if Mr T goes before I do. I will, as my friend Joyce, who was widowed at 95, enjoy my solitude, cooking only for myself, cleaning only for myself, watching TV only when I want, reading when I want.)